Episode 32

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12th Aug 2024

The Ancient Maya: Hidden not Lost

The ancient Maya have been considered a lost civilization for many years, but what really happened to them? On this episode of The Remedial Scholar, we look into the origins of this enigmatic culture from how the indigenous people even arrived in the Americas to begin with all the way to the contact with the Spanish. Discover the hidden history of the Maya, their impressive vastness of ruins that decorate the forests of the Yucatan, the complex hieroglyphics they left behind and their calendars that caused commotion to the people of the world over a thousand years after the creation. Discover the Maya—not as a vanished civilization, but as a living testament to endurance and cultural continuity.

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Speaker:

How does a civilization create

massive pyramids, intricate hieroglyphics,

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rudimentary plumbing,

advanced mathematics,

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and a celestial calendar

that rivals our modern, scientifically

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engineered calendars by a few minutes,

maybe even seconds?

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How does a civilization dwarf

the amount of pyramids left by the ancient

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Egyptians have advanced architecture

and create irrigation systems

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for their crops, and do all of this

while being only regarded as a Stone age

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civilization?

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Why does such a group like this

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make such a striking impact

on the world around them?

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And then just vanish? Where are they?

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Where did they come from

and where did they go?

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Where did you come from? Ghana. Joe.

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This week

we learn the mysteries of the Maya,

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the people who prophesize

the end of the world.

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In 2012, after having vanished

from the face of the earth

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almost a millennium before all that.

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More on

another episode of The Remedial Scholar.

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Welcome, everyone.

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I am Levi,

and this is the remedial scholar. I hope

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you are excited to hear me mispronounce

every other word in this episode.

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It's going to be fun.

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Before we get to making a linguistic

fool of myself, a few quick things.

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I will be back to the full swing

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episodes in rapid fire

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but it's going to be a much faster pace

than one every two months.

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you know, starting a

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year or two off, like,

I probably should have started year one.

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kind of crazy that it's been a whole year.

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I mean, with an asterix, this is like.

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This is like when they transition

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early in baseball

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the massive scale of games

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like all the records from back

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you hit that many home runs

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but now we have these many games

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So bad sports analogies aside,

I'm excited to see what year

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two brings and actually be,

you know, focused on creating the show.

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I'm back to feeling

very passionate about it.

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I am, you know, free from school,

and I kind of got

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a good work life balance going.

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So I'm very excited.

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and I just want to be able to deliver

the best possible show that I can.

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And, you know,

I have some fun ideas on how to do that

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and some cool episode ideas

also coming up.

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So all that preamble,

let's get into the actual episode itself.

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This week is an exciting one.

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This topic you, this topic itself is

also a Herculean effort for me to finish.

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If you are a long time

listener of the show, then you're like,

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yeah, we know we've been waiting,

waiting, waiting.

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You're also probably thinking

that because of the fact that you know,

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the mind up and vanished

is probably pretty tough to research.

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And you were slightly correct.

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Also, with slight correction,

the Maya did not vanish.

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They're actually never even here.

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You might be surprised to learn that

what we know is the Maya is actually

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nothing more than a few misunderstandings

and bad translation.

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And at the Maya,

we're actually just left handed Aztecs.

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So we're going to be looking further

into what split

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from the actual Aztecs

into what we believe is Maya. No.

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Now, this this week is definitely

just about the Maya.

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but to get a better understanding

of the Maya, like all things,

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we got to look backwards.

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Indigenous cultures

suffer from the lack of written history.

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Weirdly enough, they also.

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I mean, they

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they did write in calf things a lot,

but it seems a little bit different

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than what,

like the European and Asian cultures did.

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And I kind of looked into why this is.

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And it has to do with a few main things.

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First, let's compare

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some of the oldest written down

languages and cultures in Egypt.

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Writing on papyrus can be dated back

to the mid 26th century BCE,

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and the close proximity to the areas

around and blowing up of the trade

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in the Mediterranean

made a be camp pretty commonplace

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in the cultures we generally think of

when it comes to a written history.

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The next earliest in the invention

of writing on paper

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instead of stone comes from China,

almost:

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years later, when fragments from a paper

map were dated.

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These cultures are very far apart,

and even in the heyday of the Roman

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Empire, Far East

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Asian cultures really did not interact

with those in the Mediterranean.

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So these two cultures

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who have both contributed

greatly to the advancement of society,

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whose distances are pretty,

pretty separate, you know, developed

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their writing on paper, not stone or clay,

thousands of years apart.

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The second issue with writing on paper,

like documentation, is that you need,

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you know, plants suitable

to create such long lasting documents.

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The developed paper

that the mass of American cultures

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did end up using instead of the native

papyrus that the Egyptians use,

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deteriorated far quicker than any other

Mediterranean or Asian versions.

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Mesoamerican cultures use what is known

as a mate, which is a bark based paper

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created by grinding up bark into a pulp,

type material and then drying it out.

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And then they would write on that and,

you know, the Maya, they,

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they did write

they developed a system of hieroglyphics,

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one of only

a few original written languages

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invented without external influences

all over the world.

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Like this is one of a handful of them,

so that's pretty impressive.

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They also

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had their own mathematical system,

which has been proven to be very accurate.

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So accurate that when,

the world was going to,

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people thought the world was going to end

when their calendar ended

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in 2012, or like, the Mayans,

they they really knew what was up.

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but I am getting ahead of myself, like,

like I often do.

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So what does all this paper nonsense

have to do with anything, Levi?

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Well, just kind of wanted to demonstrate

how lucky we are to have what information

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we do about the Maya and how a lot of it

is still an unraveling mystery.

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Would have been a lot

easier had the Spanish not burnt

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most of their written books

in in order to say,

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but there's not much

we can do about that now.

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there's only a few, codex

ins that, exist.

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Probably, I think four maybe

when the entire world of Maya codices,

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where their language is written down

on like books, there's only four.

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So, so that's pretty sweet.

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So did the Maya and other indigenous

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cultures really not write that much down,

or did the colonizers just burn it all?

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There's probably the latter,

but we won't know

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until

I look into every single one of them.

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I choose to tell you this

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because I believe that it's important

to understand that history is always,

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and probably history is, and probably

always will be, incomplete in many cases.

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This is to say that I will let you know

for sure when I have like

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this is this we know that this happened,

when facts are involved.

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And try my best

to tell you when scientific

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archeological hunches

are being made going forward. So

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in that spirit, let's do some estimation

on how people even got to the Americas.

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If human life truly did originate

and spread from the continent of Africa to

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where everybody rests now, there are a few

leading theories on how this happened.

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The most prominent one

is that 15 to 20,000 years ago,

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the first Americans

descended through North America via

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the Bering Land bridge,

which is now where the Bering Strait is.

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During the last ice age,

the hypothesis is focused

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around the connection of the eastern edge

of Russia on the Asian continent

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and the northwest edge

of what is modern day Alaska.

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DNA testing between Native American tribes

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and Siberian people shows

that there's a close link between them,

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and that there is a likelihood

that this is where the origin stems from.

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This is not the only case, however.

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There are two other DNA links

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which the origins

that archeological archeologists surmise

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could have contributed to or coincide

with the Bering land bridge crossing.

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Archeologists and historians

alike hypothesize that

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with the migration of people

to Australia 65,000 years ago,

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that many nautical expeditions

had taken place that very well

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could have led to the settlement

along the west coast of South America.

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Now, if you remember from the Magellan

episode, The Pacific Ocean

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ain't no easy feat.

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So it makes more sense that people walked

across the Bering Land Bridge.

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But we have to remember that the Americas

were vastly different 20,000 years ago.

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The earliest archeological data

we have found of indigenous cultures

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in America was thought to have been

the Clovis site, which dates around

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13,000 years ago.

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This discovery was made in the 1930s

near Clovis, New Mexico, hence the name.

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The site seemed to have lined up

with the Bering land bridge,

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but it is thought that North America

would have been frozen and not been able

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to offer much in terms of life

for traveling people to

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sustain themselves on, especially when

they had to walk the entire way.

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There's another site which predates

the Clovis site, all the way down

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in the southern, section of Chile.

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at Monteverdi. Monteverdi.

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I think if you're unfamiliar with

this area, that makes two of us well made.

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Two of us.

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Now we both know what Glasgow, Monteverdi

is in the southern section of Chile,

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and not far, like, not so far south,

that it touches the Strait of Magellan.

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But the cluster of islands

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in which Magellan tried to

navigate is just south of this area.

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Monteverdi is an archeological site

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in which the earliest dated indigenous

sites in the Americas is located.

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It predates the Clovis

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site by over a thousand years,

which means that people were all the way

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near the southern tip of South America,

much further back than we realize.

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Now, I do realize

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that Indonesia is much closer to Australia

than the southern tip of South.

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A South America is to, well,

literally anything

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except for maybe Antarctica

and the rest of South America.

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But it doesn't make sense

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that people would have taken boats

of some kind to the Americas,

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while people made it to the very remote

Easter Island as far back as 400 C.E..

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Granted, this is a long time

removed from 14,000 years ago,

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but when you factor in that people

were traveling

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via maritime routes that far back,

it is not completely unreasonable.

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I can't imagine that the voyage

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across the Pacific Ocean,

in what had to have been smaller vessels

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that Magellan had,

could have possibly been like,

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I can't imagine

it was very much fun, really.

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No matter which way you slice it,

we have absolute proof that people

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were living migrating in the Americas

almost 15,000 years ago.

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For certain.

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There's some other ones,

like there's footsteps

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I can't even remember

specifically where they are,

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but they were dated

about 22,000 years ago.

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And it's like these, this lady walking

with, a man,

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and then his steps disappear,

and then it's just her.

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And then there's, like,

mammoth footprints all over the place.

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Anyway, but if you think about what

these two sites show us,

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that these people had to have moved

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with some prior knowledge

because there's tools homes found.

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So it's kind of reasonable

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to assume that they were either near

those areas for a while, or they arrived

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with some very thorough knowledge

of how to survive, if only for a while.

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It's not like a bunch of babies

washed up on tour of South America

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and just drew up like some sort of,

I don't know, Lord of the flies situation.

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Another archeological find I want to bring

up is the find in Queenstown, a room.

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Mexico.

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This is the eastern section

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of the Yucatan Peninsula,

and this particular find was found

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on the north shore of Quinton Aru,

some 127 miles from the infamous

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Chichen Itza, which will we will discuss

further in a little bit.

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In this region,

a man was diving in a cenote,

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which is a water filled cave,

and while diving

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he came across a human skull

and attached skeleton,

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which had been encrusted with crystallized

liquid that had fell on it from above,

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from the stalactites above it, long before

the cave was eventually filled

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with water.

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Skeleton was dated to be about

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10,000 years old, and,

it was found to be a teenage girl.

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The suspected theory is that she fell into

the snow while looking for water.

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I think that this kind of tells me more

than anything that there were,

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you know, scores of people

just literally all around varying degrees

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of lifestyle, thousands of miles apart

around the same time

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doesn't really help pinpoint exactly

where people were or where they came from.

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But, you know,

this is in between both sites,

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and I guess it's younger than

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both of those sites,

but it kind of just shows how spread out

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the indigenous people of the Americas

were in that kind of time period.

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So anyway, on to our actual topic.

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the Maya kind of an interesting group

to look at, in particular

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because of what we think

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they were or what happened to them,

is largely misunderstood.

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They, like many cultures around the world,

have distinct phases that they went

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through in terms of their development,

into what we know as a civilization.

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Interesting part about this is that they

did not consider themselves to be Maya.

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They had no governing body

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that oversaw all the people

who fit the description of this group.

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This is different from people

like the Aztec, who had a defining name

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defining a government body over

overall ruling like system.

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Aztec also like the peak of the Maya

and the peak of the Aztecs, are different.

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The Aztecs kind of came up

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as the Maya had already began

to, quote unquote, collapse.

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I'll talk why?

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That's

kind of a quote unquote thing later.

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But there's some overlap with the Maya

and as tech,

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but also with different cultures

like the Inca and the Olmec.

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Although the Olmec are probably the ones

that that Maya interacted with the most,

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we know for sure

that they interacted with the old man

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because that's

where they got their famous calendar.

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they took the Olmecs calendar

and then developed

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it even further into what we know

as the Maya calendar.

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To that is it also important to note

that the Maya is essentially a term

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that was chosen to describe

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this larger group of people who did not

fit in the Aztec or Olmec categories.

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They're definitely a different group,

but they did not, you know,

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consider themselves

to be super different from Aztec or Olmec.

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They obviously live

by different governing rules,

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but they interacted

with these two cultures.

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Maya was also a broad term

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because there's over

30 different languages that the Maya spoke

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regionally differentiated,

but also closely, associated

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with one another, that they could speak

and trade within different city states.

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It is like as if you considered

all of Europe to be one type of people.

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Sure,

they can communicate with their neighbors

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just fine, but it's a little trickier

the further out you go.

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So without further ado, let's

look into what we know about the Maya.

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According to the Maya creation

myths, in the beginning, world was a vast

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expanse of nothingness filled with

only what the sky and an immense sea.

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Amidst this emptiness existed

the heart of the sky known as hurricane.

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A hurricane,

the creator of God's feathered serpent.

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These are the most famous of the Maya

deities.

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These divine

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beings looked upon the void and united

their powers to bring order to the chaos.

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Which is kind of ironic,

because it was like

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there's nothing other than water and sky.

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This is too chaotic.

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We got to bring more shit into it

throughout their words.

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But through their words, the gods conjured

into the world, into existence.

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Mountains, rose, valleys, dipped, trees,

grew tall, animals roamed the new land.

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And despite the beauty and abundance,

the gods were dissatisfied, for

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the animals

could not speak or offer praise.

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It's. Listen, you guys are very cute.

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The squirrel is adorable,

but it can't praise me, so I hate it.

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It's so crazy.

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the gods desired beings

who could acknowledge their creators,

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which you know,

I guess it was probably hard work.

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You want people to recognize your effort.

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Their first attempt to create humans

evolved, molding them from mud.

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These beings,

however, were weak, crumbled easily,

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and dissolved back into the Earth.

Obviously, they're made of mud.

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What did you expect?

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I mean, honestly,

you made animals just fine.

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But then people, you're like,

I guess we'll make them out of mud.

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Determine the gods. Try it again.

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This time crafting humans from wood.

All right.

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These

these wooden beings were more robust, yet

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they lacked souls and understanding

their ignorance angered the gods.

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You stupid piece of wood.

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You don't.

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You can talk and praise me,

but you just don't get it, I imagine.

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what is it, Jimmy?

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From eternity with Planck.

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This is Yelena.

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Why don't you get me? Sorry.

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But. Yeah.

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So, God's unleashed a great flood

and other calamities

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to destroy these wooden people.

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Some of the wooden beings

managed to escape and were transformed

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into monkeys, serving

as a reminder of the gods displeasure.

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Which is not really sure why the gods hate

monkeys, or more importantly,

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why the Maya myth makers

hate them so much.

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But you know, moving on,

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the gods made a final attempt

to make their their preferred people.

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They used dough, a sacred and vital

substance for the Maya to shape humans.

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That's right. We're all corn.

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You mean everyone? Corn.

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Always have been, always will be.

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These beings were perfect,

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possessing the ability

to see and comprehend everything.

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Yet their perfection posed a threat

to the gods authority to prevent humans

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from becoming too powerful.

The gods clouded their vision.

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Limiting their understanding

to what was necessary seems a bit rude.

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These game gods are a little picky.

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You got all this power

and you're so picky on what you make.

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the story of creation

did not end there. There.

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the adventures of the Hero twins

had hudner poo and shubhankar.

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I'm gonna say that I nailed that,

but I don't sound too confident.

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That's kind of like Hercules a little bit.

They went to the underworld.

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Also, underworld is called Jabal,

which is fun to say.

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Where they defeated the Lords

through some advanced tactics.

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They played games.

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They outgained the gods in a way very,

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Very Bill and Ted.

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Bogus journey, if you will.

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You know, when they have to play chess

with, the Grim Reaper and whatnot,

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their exploits not only, you know,

gave the people some, like, power

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through, like, this is who

we want to be, but, you know, it also,

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it made it

it set up the values for the Maya

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people and also gave them a reason

to love cosmology.

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They picked up,

you know, there's the heroes in the sky

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kind of thing, you know,

like we do now with constellations.

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Anyway, pretty fun story.

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But I wanted to dive into the things

we know about for sure.

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So in a historical archeological manner,

Maya culture is broken into phases.

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The archaic period,

which is from:

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Classic, which has further divisions

such as early, middle and late.

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The pre Classic is defined as 2000

BCE to 200 C.E.,

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so you can imagine with that

long of timeline,

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kind of want to break things down

a little bit.

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The classic goes from 250 to 950 C.E.

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and the Post Classic,

to:

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and then overlaps

with which with what is called the contact

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or contact period,

which stretches from:

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There's some overlap, as I mentioned,

but not just in timeline,

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but also advancements, building

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techniques, writing, and many other things

between the various periods.

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But you know, when there are some

but not all the pieces

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for the next movement, they kind of go,

all right, you're not quite there.

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And then when you see all of the pieces

that are pretty like part

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and parcel to that period, you're like,

all right,

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that's kind of when they that's kind of

when they got there.

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it's got it's a little archaic,

but you know, it works out overall

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difficult to pin down exactly.

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When things changed up similarly similarly

to how it is for us today.

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But, you know, we do it by decades now.

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But in 100,000 years, will alien

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archeologist to discover our own planet

think the same?

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Who knows?

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Either way, we've kind of discussed

the migration

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of indigenous people,

which happened at least 14,000 years ago.

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But exactly when remains to be seen.

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How did the people get from new settling

people to the mighty Mesoamerican cultures

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we think of today? A lot of hard work.

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There's a lot of trial and error.

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The pre classic is based

transitional period to discuss as it takes

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place between the archaic and the classic,

but also last:

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So there's definitely some room for growth

early pre pre classic period as

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is when the Maya began

to get their footing

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as a culture that we know

and would be later known for.

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For that they were semi-nomadic turned

farmers settling in what are known

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as the lowlands

or the peninsula part of the Yucatan.

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The main plants that are made that made

these early Maya settle down as one.

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I'm sure we're all familiar with maize.

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I kind of mentioned it earlier. Corn.

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The cob wobble, also known as

I don't think anybody calls it

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the cob wobble.

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But I think they said

this plant was one, one

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that many indigenous people across North

America utilize in many different ways.

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Most common was using it

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as a base to make a bread type meal

and using the husk to make tamales.

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That's my favorite way.

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Other things they feasted

upon were squash, beans, peppers,

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and the occasional sweet potato.

Yeah. Yuck.

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I just hate sweet potatoes.

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It's it's just a personal thing.

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You know, it's fun as this process

is not exactly an overnight one.

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That is, one of the earliest early

pre classic

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period is from roughly 2000

BCE to:

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It's also in this timeframe

that the Maya began to trade

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with the Olmec, who had a larger influence

on Maya culture,

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as I briefly mentioned a little bit ago

with their influence on Brain

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Child in the famous Maya calendar,

and so conosco.

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The early Pre classic period began around

:

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in settlement patterns,

sustenance, technology and society.

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Permanent inland villages

near flood prone bias provided

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advantageous

fishing and agricultural conditions

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despite maize being present,

you know, around:

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is not the primary diet staple yet,

leading to speculation

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about reliance on other crops

like manioc or casa cassava.

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Technological advancements

include the introduction of pottery

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in the burrow phase, which is around 1800

BCE with sophisticated ceramics

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like likely used for ritual purposes,

earliest of as evidence

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of chocolate use, and clay figurines

also emerged during this time.

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Then after this,

we have a little more of the complex

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pottery, just kind of stemming from this,

like origin.

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They, also began to have rank societies

with large capital villages

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and signs of social differentiation,

such as elaborate burials

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and depictions of shaman chiefs,

which, you know, also putting

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a little more emphasis on the, it's like

almost like a aristocratic group.

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Next phase, we have, unique pottery

decorations, more sophisticated figurines.

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Early pre classic sites similar to snow

scale have been found along the Pacific

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littoral, littoral, Guatemala

and El Salvador, but not in the Central

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and North America Maya areas,

or the earliest Olmec civilization.

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Before 1000 BCE, conditions

were not favorable for effective village

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farming outside of the Pacific littoral.

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However, during the middle pre

classic period, you know, until about 400

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BCE, heavy populations with pottery,

likely Mayan speaking,

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began establishing themselves

in both the highlands and the lowlands.

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These populations

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were mostly peasants with limited social

organization, architecture and art.

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In contrast, the Olmec civilization

in southern Veracruz and adjacent

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to Basco thrived during the early

and middle Pre Classic periods.

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Olmec Center

t San Lorenzo, dating back to:

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BCE, was the first urban capital

in Mesoamerica.

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Known for its giant basalt sculptures.

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San Lorenzo was destroyed around 1150 BCE,

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but its influence

spread across Mesoamerica,

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even into the Yucatan Peninsula,

but only like a little bit.

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Olmec colonists also settled

eastern San Usko.

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So Conosco.

I think I'm been pronouncing that wrong,

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because,

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they they settled there

because of rich cacao orchards.

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Which big thing, big theme.

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After San Lorenzo was fall,

La Venta became the new Olmec center,

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featuring these elaborate tombs,

jade and serpentine offerings,

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and significant public architecture

indicating a very powerful Olmec state.

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Olmec slightly likely created

the Long Count calendar, influencing

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obviously the Maya at this

like this is when they created it

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and then later

the Maya would pick up in the middle.

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Pre classic period,

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the Maya began to showcase things

that would define their classic period.

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Architecture

began to flourish in similar patterns

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across various settlements

Maya, across the lowlands.

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architecture

was not the only major improvement

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as they began to add some infrastructure

to their habitats,

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which is really something

that I never really considered before.

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They developed a very rudimentary

irrigation system

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further advance their already

improving agricultural methods.

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Villages of each state began

to show some version of a town

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square or central plazas,

with greater gifts

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within the greater

geographical area of the town.

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There's also

the inclusion of sporting fields.

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This is where the iconic ball game

would be played.

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If you're unfamiliar,

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the Mesoamerican people had a very

developed interest in physical feats.

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This extended to their athletic prowess,

which could be displayed in war.

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Also in the ball game.

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The name is some kind

sometimes called these pits,

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but most often just called the ball game

or the Maya Ball

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game is not a specifically Maya thing,

as many cultures

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in the Mesoamerica umbrella played it,

especially the Aztecs later on.

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This game was also pretty interesting.

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They, didn't use their hands or feet,

which sounds confusing

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because all of the sports

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we watched, they use their hands

and feet to move an object around.

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But essentially what they did is like,

dribble it off of their chest or knees,

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and then would like, you know, use their

hips to kind of kick it around, I guess.

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not I don't know,

it seems very confusing,

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but if you watch videos,

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there's like people who could will

reenact it and play the game now

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:

and you can watch them and it,

it seems relatively, interesting.

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I don't know, it's different because it's

just so alien to what we're used to,

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but it's also pretty interesting.

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sometimes they would use this to settle

disputes.

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So that's that's

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they would also

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in those cases, if they're like warring

with another town or whatever,

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when they played the ball game

and the other town lost,

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they might sacrifice

one of the people on the other team.

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It's fun moving right along.

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the, the decorated and,

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:

expansive town center also came

hand in hand with, more decorated stelae,

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which transcribe their hieroglyphics

and adorned many town

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centers, similarly to how the Greek city

states borrowed from one another.

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Early Mesoamerican cultures

did the same kind of thing, and the people

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who would be labeled

as the Maya were no different.

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They borrowed many, masonry techniques

from the nearby Olmec people, mostly,

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:

most likely learned through traded means

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:

because also extended to different methods

of tools and weaponry.

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:

As the Maya never made it

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:

out of the Stone age technically,

as far as tools were concerned,

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their general weaponry and utilities

remained constant with,

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some, some improvements

over the few thousand years

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:

they utilized stone tools,

wooden tools crafted with stone tools,

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:

but were also big users and,

obsidian tipped weapons into ores.

515

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Obsidian is volcanic glass, which is ever

sharp and incredibly resilient and heavy.

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Uses.

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Obsidian also doubled as a highly sought

after traded item, and it,

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kind of along with things like jade and,

cocoa beans.

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:

So throughout the pre classic period,

more cities began to pop up,

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:

especially in the regions

that are known as the lowlands.

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If you look at the Yucatan Peninsula,

the region

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just south of the actual peninsula

is called Southern Lowlands.

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They are the, they are beginning,

you know, to spread throughout this region

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:

and keeping connected from each city state

as they grow.

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:

Numbers are hard to estimate,

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but they were sizable enough

to have plenty temples

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and plenty of infrastructure

that could support hundreds

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of thousands of people

in some of the largest ones.

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It seems super impressive to me

considering I have to.

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I have tried to build cities and games

and can never get that high.

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One of the most notable examples from

this time is oh boy, Cumbernauld Junior,

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Cumbernauld u u.

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Yeah, obviously, which is located

in modern day Guatemala City.

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:

Remember earlier when I mentioned that,

there were some Maya cities

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that had irrigation and really dynamic

features in stone carved buildings?

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This city was founded towards the middle

pre classic in:

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but it lasted all the way until

t was eventually abandoned in:

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:

As is the case with most of Maya things,

we know most about it

539

:

thanks to their hieroglyphics, when

they marked many things in their cities,

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as well as their dating system,

which could often include the carvings

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:

that they made or which they often

included in the carvings that they made,

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confused myself.

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Ancient Maya were accomplished

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astronomers and mathematicians

who developed one of the most important

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:

one of the most accurate calendar systems

in human history.

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:

They use several cyclical calendars,

including the harb,

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the sultan, the sultan, and,

and the calendar round.

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:

The is a 365 day calendar with 19 months,

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18 of 20 days each, and one of five days.

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:

Called the wired.

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The token is a 260 day

calendar made from a combination of 20 day

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:

glyphs and the numbers 1 to 13.

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Calendar round interweaves

the hub and the token silicon.

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I don't know, calendars

repeating every 52 periods.

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:

365 day.

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The Long Count

calendar was used to chronologically date

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events spanning more than 5100 years,

counting in cycles of 20,

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with an exception for the third cycle,

which approximates the solar year.

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:

The long count calendar starts

from the mythical creation date

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of August 1131, 14 BCE,

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and that cycle ended December 21st, 2012.

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This is the sign of a new cycle

and not the end of the world,

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like many people like to assume

because they, you know, see the word end

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:

and get all weird.

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But really,

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:

if the Maya would have been around for

this entire amount of time, realistically

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:

what it would have just meant

is a new beginning kind of thing.

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like, not even a rebirth, but just like,

all right, this is our new cycle.

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We're on this cycle.

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We're doing stuff differently. Slightly.

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:

Maya farmers conducted offerings

and ceremonial hour ceremonies.

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:

According to the Hobgoblin,

the silken, calendar

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:

also played a significant role

in Maya rituals, including the.

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Oh my gosh, what luck.

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Shakib, what's.

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Yeah. Nailed it! Ceremony.

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The Walk Saki Bots ceremony

in the highlands

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of Guatemala, marking

the start of a new 260 day cycle.

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:

Now with the calendar round combining

both the hub and a token token,

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:

I'm still not convinced

that, its completion signifies

581

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special wisdom

for those reaching 52 years of age.

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:

Every 52 years,

the calendars would synchronize a period.

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:

this period is considered to be sacred.

584

:

Mentioned earlier

that they had accurately counted 365 days

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:

in the year for their mathematics.

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Goes way more in-depth than just that.

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The mathematical achievement of the Maya

is, pretty noteworthy and very complex.

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The Maya number system was,

it was a base 20 system,

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likely influenced by counting on fingers

and toes.

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It included advances

the features such as zero.

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:

Who would have thought that zero

such an events feature.

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:

But, an positional system, though

not a true positional based system.

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The interesting thing about this is that

the Maya had the concept of zero down

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:

way before the Europeans did,

and this might be silly,

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:

but think of how often the concept of

nothing might play a part in your life.

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:

Think about how the Europeans

597

:

did not have something like that

until like:

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:

when the famous Fibonacci

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:

returned from traveling in North Africa

and delivered the concept,

600

:

along with Arabic numerals,

to Europe, Egypt, Greece, Rome.

601

:

None of these ever had zero figured out.

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:

Isn't that kind of wild?

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:

Astronomically, the Maya achieved

remarkable precision with minimal tools.

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:

They calculated the solar year

to be 365.242

605

:

days, and the lunar month to be 29.30

.:

606

:

Very, very close to modern values,

their interest in celestial cycles

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:

led to constructions of observatories

like the Caracol building et cheating

608

:

Chichen Itza.

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Aside from astronomy, the Maya's

mathematical legacy includes intricate

610

:

architectural decorations

with geometric patterns found in the

611

:

regions, ruins, showcasing

their inventiveness and intuition.

612

:

And, you know,

you kind of got to think about it

613

:

because they spent a lot of time

hanging out outside

614

:

and a lot of time looking at the stars

and a lot of time planning.

615

:

And, you know, we we were like, man,

they're not making very many observations

616

:

in science now,

but like, let's just during our lifetime

617

:

think about generations of wealth,

that of knowledge that's been passed out.

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:

So anyway, that moves us right.

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:

In the classic period, this titular

this is the Maya period as we know it,

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:

considered by many

to be the height of the Maya civilization,

621

:

where things that I mentioned before

with the mathematic calendar,

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:

mathematics calendars, celestial

observing and architecture

623

:

really grew into their iconic selves

is in the classical period

624

:

that the heavy influence of the calendar

in the way that they began

625

:

to heavily date things and most

architectural achievements from this time.

626

:

There are calendar dates

included in the hieroglyphics

627

:

that decorated the facades

of these buildings and monuments.

628

:

This is especially useful

now that we have an understanding

629

:

of how the calendars work,

and can use them to tell exactly

630

:

when the building was built,

which is pretty neat.

631

:

During the classical period,

which, as I mentioned earlier, stretches

632

:

from the second century BCE to 900 C.E.

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:

we also have one of the most influential

Mayan rulers.

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:

There's a good time to share the fact that

635

:

just because Maya did not have a unified

governing body or major kingdom presence

636

:

in the same way that the Aztec

or Inca had their city states,

637

:

who often fought one

another struggled in these fights.

638

:

one such location in

is in the city of Plunkett,

639

:

which had been dealing with some major

rival disputes with the Catholic.

640

:

More turnover for rulers of Lincoln

was pretty bad, and Catholic more

641

:

attacked them consistently over and over

during the fourth and fifth centuries.

642

:

With the tumultuous time

643

:

that the attacks and leaders

who were unable to make any meaningful

644

:

progress in their city, the people of

Lincoln felt, you know, very disparaged.

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Religious ceremonies were ignored, linked

even more, people just being alienated.

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:

There's even glyphs which stated the fact,

you know, like people aren't praying.

647

:

That's not what they said specifically.

But, you know, you know, it's bad.

648

:

You know how bad

649

:

your city is missing

a religious ceremony or ceremonies.

650

:

There has to be a it has to have

an artisan carve it into a building.

651

:

That's pretty bad. Things felt bleak.

652

:

That was until the son of a woman

who assumed the role as a leader of

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:

the city was brought into the fold.

654

:

Sack.

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Cook was the daughter of a man

named Jenab Khalil,

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who is the namesake for her son.

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:

I explain that very confusing,

but he her son, took

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power at age 12, assisted by his mother

for a quarter of a century.

659

:

The young Pascal, also known as Pascal

the Great began to run the city

660

:

in the right direction.

661

:

City experienced a great renaissance

under Picard's guidance.

662

:

Majority of the buildings

in Pelinka were constructed during his

663

:

nearly 70 year tenure, remodeling

current buildings, adding new

664

:

and majorly improved structures

that feature

665

:

some of the greatest and latest

breakthroughs of Mayan engineering.

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:

Plank was advanced as it features

some of the rudimentary pseudo plumbing

667

:

which fed sweat baths, latrines, and, of

course, water for crops, which is amazing.

668

:

They had sweat, sweat baths, figured out.

669

:

Buildings were constructed

with iconic vault style

670

:

that would be found in many other

classic and Post Classic Maya buildings.

671

:

Although there were no great success

stories in the buildings,

672

:

he did not rule unchallenged

during his reign.

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:

The warriors of pulling battle

against external foes quite often,

674

:

but just as often found themselves

victorious.

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:

The success of percale is important

in highlighting a few different things.

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Firstly, the lack of religious effort

before he took over versus the importance

677

:

he placed on building

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:

temples, doing rituals

at the beginning of his reign in an effort

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:

to please their gods, who in turn provided

some favor towards him and his reign.

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:

This is a pattern

that is seen in a few mind states,

681

:

where at a certain point, emphasis

on religious practice does get placed.

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:

And maybe it worked

and it did keep doing it.

683

:

So or it stops working and they move on.

684

:

More on that,

more on the latter in a little bit.

685

:

It's kind of a great system. No,

because like,

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:

you don't swear religious fealty,

support my reign as king.

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:

And if I do a good job, you know,

or the gods support my rule, then

688

:

if things work out

and I'm actually good at my job,

689

:

it will look like the gods favor me.

690

:

So this is my thought on ancient systems

of like God kings.

691

:

They really are really effective ones.

692

:

Really, really helped the spread

of the power of their dominant religion.

693

:

If you think about it as you move through,

towards the modern age, through history,

694

:

the power of who is running,

whatever place

695

:

it may be largely focused on the gods

supporting them.

696

:

Then, as time moves forward,

the common people become more educated.

697

:

Facts become a little more obvious, and

then the leader is a little more to blame

698

:

because of their actions,

699

:

rather than they displease

the gods in some vague fashion.

700

:

Let's you actually did it.

701

:

I digress.

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:

The reason we know Picard's

great leadership is due to a few factors.

703

:

The first, obviously,

704

:

the inscriptions of the monuments and

buildings constructed during his reign.

705

:

As I stated before, they often tagged them

with the dates of the buildings.

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:

And then when the general events,

like what general events

707

:

were happening at the time,

which I think we should go back to.

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Welcome.

709

:

Welcome to McDonald's.

710

:

This building was constructed

on the third day of June:

711

:

When it was constructed,

it was the only building

712

:

within a five block radius,

and during construction, a man

713

:

drove into the building

and defecated on the fresh concrete.

714

:

Something like that.

715

:

It would be fun.

716

:

I thought it would actually be cool

717

:

if they did that with buildings

that they take spot of other buildings.

718

:

They knocked some,

719

:

you know, classic Art Deco building

and put up a soulless square building,

720

:

leaving a picture of what was replaced

so that people know the new architects.

721

:

All right.

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:

So back stepping off here, the other way

to tell how important a leader was

723

:

is to base off

their funerary elements, right.

724

:

Because definitely upper

echelon of importance.

725

:

His tomb was being prepared well before

he died, which not super duper uncommon.

726

:

But when he died,

727

:

they had devised a way for him

to be placed in sealed nice and neatly.

728

:

His funeral mask was made

from the prized jade which the Maya loved.

729

:

This thing was pretty wicked too.

730

:

He was, you know,

he was in his 70s, having ruled from 615

731

:

until his death in 683,

so he clearly was doing something right.

732

:

The death mask is completely made of jade

with like 12 chains of jade as well.

733

:

Massive spine earring

734

:

type things, Jade bracelets, rings

and pins to go on clothing.

735

:

The cover of his tomb is also fantastic.

736

:

Features him curled up in a seated

position like sideways like profile view.

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:

You could call it

738

:

an like elaborate decoration

of what looks like a throne under him.

739

:

And then there's like this massive tree

and like, masks floating around.

740

:

Obviously, I'm gonna put an image

of these things on the social media posts

741

:

and then in the video companion, so,

you know, don't forget to look for those.

742

:

But percale is one of the most famous

kings of the mind city.

743

:

And he brought his city to a great power.

And you'd think.

744

:

But the footing he left in it,

it would succeed for a long time.

745

:

But this is not not really the case.

746

:

If you have a standard passing

knowledge of the Maya,

747

:

you might be thinking that is around

this time that they began to disappear.

748

:

The famous vanishing of the Maya.

749

:

The only problem with this theory is that

there's still Maya around to this day.

750

:

Many people believe that they were wiped

out with the arrival of Spanish as well,

751

:

but this is also not the case.

752

:

I mentioned

the phases of the Maya time periods,

753

:

and that the classic period

is what truly defines

754

:

what we think of as the Maya to this day,

and that there are sections to the

755

:

classic period, while the early and late

classic are what I've described until now.

756

:

So now we're entering

what is known as the Terminal Classic.

757

:

The name like, that's pretty easy

to guesstimate what is about to happen.

758

:

Even so, there's

759

:

some misrepresentations of what happened

because we really don't have a full story.

760

:

There are a few leading ideas

and theories, but before I get to those,

761

:

I want to describe what is found

in archeological realm from this time.

762

:

At this time we have cities.

763

:

No longer expanding.

764

:

In the years after cause death

in the eighth century,

765

:

there are no new buildings

being built at all.

766

:

There's also the same issue

and numerous other Maya sites.

767

:

Not all the same time, but

around each other around the same time.

768

:

For sure.

769

:

This is often described as a collapse,

which if you look at the city

770

:

itself, no longer expanding.

771

:

And soon people began to leave. The city

collapsed.

772

:

Sure, the Maya civilization did continue

on, though they did

773

:

what they did

before they had these cities.

774

:

They moved. They moved to others.

They started new ones.

775

:

Some of the most notable Maya cities

that we know of today

776

:

actually started around

the time of this so-called collapse.

777

:

So let's talk about what is happening

during this time.

778

:

Well, the leading theory is that one of

the droughts and subsequent lack of food,

779

:

there carvings from around this time

that indicate that the people were people

780

:

themselves, were attempting

781

:

to please the gods in whatever ways

they could that there, you know,

782

:

and there are scientific data points

that have been taken from caves, senators

783

:

and the like,

784

:

which revealed different isotopes

within crystallized selected stalagmites

785

:

that point towards low amounts of water

for many years in this time period.

786

:

Actual science behind

787

:

it is pretty intricate, but essentially

they found certain pairings of isotopes

788

:

in these crystals that indicate

that there were a few major droughts.

789

:

What causes these droughts?

790

:

The main idea

is that the Maya actually deforested.

791

:

So much of their region that it affected

the environment and produced,

792

:

that produced rainfall, the sharp

and vast forest region becoming nothing.

793

:

It makes the region much hotter,

affects the amount of rainfall.

794

:

And then that affects affects the crop

rotation.

795

:

There's scientific data

to back that up from 802,000 C.E.

796

:

was one of the most arid times

in the Yucatan.

797

:

And a quote from this PhD candidate, well,

this is from:

798

:

He's probably a doctor by now.

799

:

But, Nick Evans of Cambridge

said, quote, rainfall decreased on average

800

:

by about half and up to 70%

during peak drought conditions.

801

:

This is all very interesting.

802

:

But then

how does that go to affect the Maya?

803

:

Well, you could say that

804

:

they're very crafty with their irrigation

water reservoirs and whatnot, right.

805

:

The bigger issue is that they're focused

on one main crop at a certain point,

806

:

maize, the corn crop.

807

:

They'd put so much into using this crop,

which cannot do well in droughts.

808

:

And because of that,

809

:

the food stores begin to dry out,

both figuratively and literally.

810

:

The Maya were effective in their methods

of constructing, expanding,

811

:

as well as farming and irrigation

based on all success that they had.

812

:

They just did not have the data

that would show them

813

:

that they overextended themselves

in many different ways.

814

:

Their population

grew vastly during the classic period,

815

:

and this requires a lot of food and space

for people to live in.

816

:

Space means clearing out rich jungle

and planting more food and feeding more

817

:

people. Now,

I've been playing a lot of manor

818

:

lords lately

and I promise this will connect.

819

:

And in this game

820

:

you are starting a medieval settlement

and you're trying to expand your village

821

:

and use the finite resources along

with agriculture and military expansion.

822

:

I've struggled in each game.

823

:

I start with feeding my people

after a certain point, try to set up

824

:

a few different fields, rotate crops,

make sure the soil stays fertile,

825

:

and yet every couple of years

I dip into dangerously low food reserves.

826

:

What I'm trying to say

827

:

is that it's very hard to manage things

like this, even on a virtual small scale.

828

:

So imagine their crops not growing

829

:

because of no water or little water

depleting the reserves.

830

:

This causing people to just leave,

find a better place

831

:

to live makes total sense to me.

832

:

There were some tactics

that they tried to apply before completely

833

:

abandoning their cities, though.

834

:

A major archeological find known as the

as the Calm Conveys was found in the pit

835

:

of just like a bunch of random things,

and it was broken into a bunch of big

836

:

broken face in a broken pit,

all of broken dreams in a broken city.

837

:

What's so special about it?

838

:

Well, this place is actually decorated

completely with hieroglyphics

839

:

spelling out things

840

:

that would normally be told in building

form with no new buildings.

841

:

This space

842

:

from the middle of the Terminal Classic

period kind of sheds some light on.

843

:

You know, the city in modern day believes

this space tells about the, various,

844

:

events at the time, which is standard,

but also tells about the efforts

845

:

the city and the king were taking

to pull themselves out of the struggle.

846

:

At the time, the King was doing things

like leading attacks on neighboring cities

847

:

to take their resources, also

doing a lot of rituals and sacrificing.

848

:

This is a point of pause, because I think

the I often get wrapped up with the Aztec

849

:

and how often or how they perform

sacrifices both cultures did.

850

:

And by no means were the Maya.

851

:

These holistic and peace loving people.

852

:

But compared to

the Aztec, they kind of were

853

:

compared to compared to the Aztec.

854

:

Most people were.

855

:

But predominantly

the Maya defaulted to blood sacrifices,

856

:

but again, not as extreme as you are

thinking they would do bloodletting,

857

:

which is a form of ritual

in which they bleed into an effigy

858

:

or cauldron of swords.

859

:

And this blood is an offering to the gods.

860

:

They did sacrifice humans ever

so often as one does, but it was

861

:

it was rarely their own citizens,

typically capturing an enemy combatant

862

:

and sacrificing them,

which I suppose is not much better

863

:

than killing your own people,

but a do what you got to do regardless

864

:

the come, come.

865

:

This gives us a peek into the day, day

to day of the Maya people in this region

866

:

as their city begin to

867

:

fold under the weight of this situation,

some Maya people in cities began

868

:

to flee in droves, in some cases

leaving behind many important things.

869

:

In one such case that in Kenya,

people left the city so quickly

870

:

that a child was left unburied,

which is completely abnormal for the Maya.

871

:

So this kind of speaks to the rapid nature

of some of these evacuations.

872

:

The remainder of the Terminal Classic

is much the same.

873

:

People leaving the cities,

874

:

traveling to new ones, new cities

taking hold in the post classic period.

875

:

There is also as movement of the Maya

from the highlands

876

:

into lowlands,

the actual Yucatan Peninsula proper.

877

:

This coincides with cities

like Chichen Itza, although Chichen

878

:

Itza itself has beginnings that date

a little bit further back to Late Classic

879

:

most likely actually have a piece

of some of the ruins.

880

:

some.

881

:

This is it.

882

:

Some of my friends visited,

visited the site and grabbed this.

883

:

They grabbed it right off of the ruins

when nobody was looking.

884

:

I mean, is it super fascinating?

885

:

Not not particularly,

but this episode had kind of given me

886

:

a little more interest in it

and, respect for it as well.

887

:

I did ask them to grab it.

888

:

But here here's the thing is,

I feel like I didn't ask them

889

:

to bring me a whole temple.

890

:

I just kind of wanted

I just wanted a little piece of history.

891

:

I like collecting things.

892

:

One of the more intriguing parts of,

893

:

the city is actually called El Caracol,

which I talked about earlier.

894

:

Is that observatory.

895

:

You know, these people were so in love

with stars that they had observatory,

896

:

which is super fascinating

and not surprising.

897

:

But, you know, they had rudimentary

plumbing in some cities,

898

:

but it's still pretty cool nonetheless.

899

:

Sites also featured, the sports ball

arenas that I told you about.

900

:

And then also they had the step pyramids.

901

:

Most notable of these is the, Cuzco Corn

pyramid,

902

:

named after the feathered serpent god,

which features an iconic step design.

903

:

Part of this design actually

casts a shadow that looks like a serpent

904

:

on the side of the pyramid,

around a spring and fall equinoxes, which,

905

:

you know, kind of demonstrates

the Maya's skill at both architecture

906

:

and their understanding

of the celestial universe around them.

907

:

The shadow of the serpent, ascending

or descending the steps of the pyramid

908

:

is visible for a week or so before

and after the equinoxes, so it's not

909

:

as if they have like an exact day down

for this specific type of thing,

910

:

but other buildings lining up

with further away stars and planets

911

:

on specific dates of the year, indicate

that they were able to get fairly close.

912

:

As stated, the city itself

913

:

did grow during

914

:

the Terminal Classic period,

which is different from many other cities.

915

:

Other cities like Maya Pan,

916

:

which is the namesake for the culture

as a whole, had battled with people within

917

:

Chichen Itza, but there no hard evidence

pointing to any decisive victory.

918

:

Chichen Itza is actually kind of unique,

as it held

919

:

many culturally different people

within its limits.

920

:

this is demonstrated by more diverse

architecture and art style.

921

:

Pizza were an ethnic group

within the umbrella of the Maya.

922

:

The name Chichen Itza translates roughly

to at the mouth of the well of the Pizza.

923

:

Chichen Itza is a little easier to.

924

:

The other one's a little wordy

as the site.

925

:

The site is near

a major snow day, so notice,

926

:

we're very much ingrained in the religion

and rituals of the Maya.

927

:

One video I watched,

they described the fact that the mouth

928

:

of these caves, these cenotes,

look like actual mouths.

929

:

Sometimes they have stalactites

and stalagmites

930

:

that look like teeth in their dark,

and the sounds that come from them

931

:

when you know the air

rushing past as you approach can feel

932

:

very much like breathing, especially

if that's your only interaction with them.

933

:

I think people make fun of historical

people and or like how silly I was.

934

:

Silly. Why would they believe that

there's so crazy?

935

:

It's obviously just a cave, bro.

936

:

You know? Or like whatever

the thing might be.

937

:

But like considering how they had

basically no information on a topic

938

:

unless they or someone else

had showed them or taught them about it.

939

:

There's no wonder why

940

:

there's so many like, deities

to think about on a daily basis.

941

:

Mentioned Maya Pan, which, event

which became one of the larger cities

942

:

following the slight decline of Chichen

Itza Maya

943

:

and possibly grew from some traditional

Maya people, feeling

944

:

that the cultural assimilation

within Chichen Itza was too, too much,

945

:

and they wanted to return

to some more Maya centric city.

946

:

A little back to the basics, man.

947

:

Sounds a little racist.

948

:

No, I have no idea, but it's it's

fun to be ridiculous like that, right?

949

:

This transition is actually part

of a bigger cultural,

950

:

cultural transition as well.

951

:

The Maya had already begun to rely

952

:

less on rituals, possibly

because they weren't working or because,

953

:

or whatever.

954

:

But either way,

the Maya focus less on religious fealty

955

:

and more on practical

methods of surviving.

956

:

There is an asterix to this,

since they still did pray

957

:

to rain gods, probably

having some sort of drought based PTSD.

958

:

Maybe like like America

after the dust bowls.

959

:

You know, overall,

there was more militarization

960

:

within the Maya cities, warring

more frequently than before.

961

:

There were inclusions of other groups,

such as the Toltec as well,

962

:

which I don't think played a part

in the rise of violence, but I didn't

963

:

know where else to add it in is the post

Classic period, which began around

964

:

950 C.E., saw the last length of the Maya

before the Spanish arrival.

965

:

this period is not as easily studied

966

:

and there's not as much information on it

either.

967

:

I can't help

968

:

feel like it relates to the arrival of

969

:

Spanish in their pressure to suppress

indigenous cultures, like a lot of,

970

:

a lot of the things that they were doing

at that time demolished, but like ruins

971

:

that weren't really inhabited

at that time, that were inhabited

972

:

a couple hundred years

ago. Still around. Right?

973

:

Either way, the Post Classic period

974

:

showed more abandonment

of some of the longer lasting cities.

975

:

I mentioned the one earlier.

976

:

Come now, all the way back.

977

:

Common knowledge area.

978

:

I think I think that's pretty close,

which had been occupied

979

:

for over 2000 years at that point.

980

:

Larger

theme could be that many of these cities

981

:

found themselves susceptible to attacks

and an increase in occupation of cities

982

:

that were located on hilltops

983

:

or coastline, which needed only, you know,

one lane of events were more preferred.

984

:

Wasn't too long before other cities

like Maya Pan were abandoned by,

985

:

you know, around 1450, shortly after this

first contact with Spanish occurred,

986

:

known as contact period,

beginning in the:

987

:

when the first explorers

wrecked off the Yucatan coast,

988

:

where most of the survivors

probably ended up captured and sacrificed.

989

:

I mentioned, you know, they would

sacrifice their military opponents.

990

:

So make sense?

991

:

The reclusive nature of the Maya

at this point actually

992

:

probably saved them from a faster fate

that the Aztecs received,

993

:

which, you know, kind of summarize

because they deserve their own episode.

994

:

But while that the Maya

had initial contact with their cities

995

:

on the Yucatan Peninsula,

996

:

you know, which was an excellent

landing point for the Spanish coming from

997

:

the previously discovered Carib Caribbean

islands, they were super spread out,

998

:

not connected by their, you know,

overarching government and harder

999

:

to maintain power over

because you might take over one city,

:

00:52:38,188 --> 00:52:41,892

but another city has no real connection

to that other than trade.

:

00:52:42,292 --> 00:52:45,695

The Aztec, on the other hand,

were a solid government centralized power.

:

00:52:45,695 --> 00:52:49,466

Because of this, when their capital fell

to the Spanish, more accurately,

:

00:52:49,466 --> 00:52:54,104

when their leader invited the Spanish in

and gave them instant access to help their

:

00:52:54,671 --> 00:52:58,241

instant access to their interior,

which further helped the Spanish

:

00:52:58,241 --> 00:53:00,877

infiltrate

and recognize the weakness within,

:

00:53:00,877 --> 00:53:01,878

but more importantly,

:

00:53:01,878 --> 00:53:05,682

brought the European diseases

directly into the heart of the largest

:

00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:09,753

and wealthiest cities in Mesoamerica,

a city which traded with other

:

00:53:09,753 --> 00:53:11,288

indigenous people around the area.

:

00:53:11,288 --> 00:53:14,291

You know, a lot of the issues

surrounding the the,

:

00:53:14,291 --> 00:53:17,427

narrative of the Spanish conquest relies

on first hand testimony

:

00:53:17,427 --> 00:53:20,997

of the conquistadors themselves,

who often embellish their stories

:

00:53:20,997 --> 00:53:22,899

to make themselves

look better than they did.

:

00:53:22,899 --> 00:53:26,102

The main thing I want people to know

about the Spanish is that

:

00:53:26,102 --> 00:53:29,839

these were not even trained military men,

like there was probably some,

:

00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:33,009

but they were the equivalent

of like contracted explorers

:

00:53:33,009 --> 00:53:35,445

as Spain kept their real soldiers

near the homeland.

:

00:53:35,445 --> 00:53:38,248

You know, you might need those closer

to England case.

:

00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:41,484

Things get crazy,

or the Portuguese probably didn't.

:

00:53:41,484 --> 00:53:43,019

Portuguese.

:

00:53:43,019 --> 00:53:47,791

so these men, some of whom had military

experience but not all, were outnumbered.

:

00:53:47,791 --> 00:53:51,962

And while they did have superior armor,

we know that from the Magellan episode

:

00:53:52,028 --> 00:53:56,266

that does not automatically qualify

us being superior fighting ability.

:

00:53:56,299 --> 00:53:59,169

We also know that, diseases,

including smallpox,

:

00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:02,439

had reached the highlands faster

than the Spanish conquistadors.

:

00:54:02,439 --> 00:54:03,206

Despite this,

:

00:54:03,206 --> 00:54:07,077

by the time the Spanish top of the Aztec

and set their sights on the Maya,

:

00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:11,114

the diseases were already wiping out

the indigenous population all over.

:

00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:15,352

Still, the Maya fought on and actually

put up like a really, really good fight.

:

00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:18,588

I mean, first contact:

:

00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:20,991

and it wouldn't be till almost

:

00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:24,261

so the:

when they actually, like, relented

:

00:54:24,327 --> 00:54:29,966

and even still like there was anyway,

other indigenous people use the Spanish

:

00:54:29,966 --> 00:54:33,303

as lust for gold as a tool

to help eliminate their opponents,

:

00:54:33,303 --> 00:54:35,272

which definitely didn't make any things

better.

:

00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:36,539

But, you know, things like that

:

00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:40,343

make me curious if the indigenous people

had, like, banded together

:

00:54:40,343 --> 00:54:44,714

instead of being so divisive, like,

what would have the outcome have been?

:

00:54:44,714 --> 00:54:47,851

Eventually the Spanish

would have probably used more force

:

00:54:47,851 --> 00:54:49,052

sending more and more people.

:

00:54:49,052 --> 00:54:50,787

But like those trips take time

:

00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:54,391

and they could have only sent

like 50 to 75 guys at a time.

:

00:54:54,391 --> 00:54:58,261

I don't know, an alternate

history is super fun topic to think about,

:

00:54:58,261 --> 00:55:01,631

but either way, the Spanish began

to settle in the region and further push

:

00:55:01,631 --> 00:55:05,769

towards the upper Yucatan

and in the late 16th century,

:

00:55:05,835 --> 00:55:11,341

like:

when the last Maya city state of Egypt,

:

00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:15,812

Najib P10 located in the P10 basin,

:

00:55:15,845 --> 00:55:16,613

essentially

:

00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:20,583

the innermost section of the Yucatan

like real main body of the Yucatan,

:

00:55:20,583 --> 00:55:23,953

I assume partly because they were so rural

and isolated in the forest,

:

00:55:23,953 --> 00:55:26,323

is why it took Spanish

so long to locate it.

:

00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:30,627

But also like,

you know, ferocity had to been a factor

:

00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:35,365

that the Maya city did fall of,

even however hard they fought.

:

00:55:35,365 --> 00:55:37,033

And then the Maya disappeared forever.

:

00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:39,736

Right? Remaining mysterious,

we all wonder what happened.

:

00:55:39,736 --> 00:55:43,239

This once great civilization. Not.

Not now.

:

00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,608

I don't understand

why people like to say they.

:

00:55:45,608 --> 00:55:47,644

That they are such a forgotten people.

:

00:55:47,644 --> 00:55:51,881

There are an estimated 15 million genetic

Maya people living today.

:

00:55:51,981 --> 00:55:55,418

Not a super massive number,

but still nothing like no slouch.

:

00:55:55,518 --> 00:55:58,621

They definitely endure many issues

and lack of recognition

:

00:55:58,621 --> 00:56:01,191

by governments of Central America,

but they do exist.

:

00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:03,026

And they don't just live in

small villages.

:

00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:06,863

They're not like the Mesoamerican version

of like the people in the Seminole Island

:

00:56:06,863 --> 00:56:07,430

or something

:

00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:12,402

like they have their cultural centers

where they do like, live authentically.

:

00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:17,140

but the Maya definitely faced,

like the full brunt of Spanish,

:

00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:22,145

like the witch in the remote villages

that they were found in.

:

00:56:22,145 --> 00:56:25,815

I guess they were subjugate,

they were subjected to harsh treatment

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00:56:25,815 --> 00:56:30,320

in the name of the conversion, you know,

to Catholicism, victims of annatto, to fe.

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Like I mentioned, you know, convert

or die, we're going to burn all your,

:

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you know, your personal ethnic

like things.

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00:56:37,527 --> 00:56:38,762

Forget your culture.

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00:56:38,762 --> 00:56:43,199

You're assimilating other indigenous

cultures face the same, treatment.

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00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:44,567

All of them were either,

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00:56:44,567 --> 00:56:46,669

you know, forced to assimilate

under Spanish rule

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00:56:46,669 --> 00:56:50,240

or subjugated to slavery

while millions of the population died off

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00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,543

thanks to the disease

or the treatment themselves.

:

00:56:53,543 --> 00:56:56,479

Biological warfare

wreaked havoc on the population,

:

00:56:56,479 --> 00:56:59,115

but there's no way to know

exactly how bad it was.

:

00:56:59,115 --> 00:57:02,786

Estimates range from 70

to 90% of the population affected, which,

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00:57:02,819 --> 00:57:06,623

you know, would have killed off

tens of hundreds of millions, maybe more.

:

00:57:06,623 --> 00:57:09,926

You know, it's it's hard to tell

what the actual original population

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00:57:09,926 --> 00:57:10,727

was, but still,

:

00:57:10,727 --> 00:57:11,928

it was actually partially due

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00:57:11,928 --> 00:57:15,231

to this fact that these indigenous slaves

were dying off.

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00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:19,736

That fueled the transatlantic slave trade

to give an influx of free labor

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00:57:19,736 --> 00:57:23,239

for the lazy settlers and greedy countries

looking to make fast cash

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00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:26,876

off the New World, Maya cities

return to the jungle, becoming overgrown

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00:57:26,876 --> 00:57:28,144

and ignored largely

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00:57:28,144 --> 00:57:31,981

until the 19th century, when explorer

exploration and history became

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00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:36,052

a bigger interest of the wealthy American

and European citizens.

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00:57:36,085 --> 00:57:39,255

Two men are responsible

for a larger increase of interest

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00:57:39,255 --> 00:57:41,991

in the Mesoamerican culture,

specifically the Maya.

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00:57:41,991 --> 00:57:46,229

John Lloyd Stephens and Frederick

Cather Catherwood explore Maya

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00:57:46,262 --> 00:57:47,430

as sites, Catherwood

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00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:51,334

providing illustrations of these places

which are honestly pretty, pretty sick.

:

00:57:51,334 --> 00:57:55,104

John makes kind of want

to, work on my still life and landscape

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00:57:55,104 --> 00:57:55,905

skill a little bit.

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00:57:55,905 --> 00:57:58,675

These drawings and the writings of Stevens

inspired many people

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00:57:58,675 --> 00:58:01,878

to search out these ruins and learn

more about the forgotten culture.

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00:58:01,878 --> 00:58:06,282

So, so that's that's kind of the history

of the Maya people as far as timelines go.

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00:58:06,282 --> 00:58:08,318

So that is the history of the Maya people.

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00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:11,421

As far as timelines

go, there's plenty more information

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00:58:11,421 --> 00:58:13,189

about the Maya to go through,

but I will leave you

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00:58:13,189 --> 00:58:16,926

with some more interesting aspects

in this little summary here that,

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00:58:16,926 --> 00:58:19,195

you know,

they invented the spherical ball game,

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00:58:19,195 --> 00:58:22,599

which was played without using feet

or hands that I mentioned.

:

00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:26,202

this game, intense,

used to settle disputes.

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00:58:26,469 --> 00:58:30,273

some cases a player from the losing team

would get sacrificed.

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00:58:30,273 --> 00:58:32,242

So that's pretty hardcore.

I don't know if they like

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00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:36,813

if, like, Tom Brady was still playing

and they're like,

:

00:58:36,813 --> 00:58:40,116

all right, well Tom Brady lost

and they just executed.

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00:58:40,817 --> 00:58:41,751

That'd be crazy.

:

00:58:41,751 --> 00:58:46,055

when the Maya did fight, they,

incorporated some interesting weapons

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00:58:46,322 --> 00:58:47,857

like that of the Hornet bomb.

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00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,392

That's exactly what it sounds like.

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00:58:49,392 --> 00:58:50,493

They threw a hornet's nest

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00:58:50,493 --> 00:58:54,264

at their enemies, which is hilarious

and evil like, super useful.

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00:58:54,330 --> 00:58:55,231

I also want, again,

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00:58:55,231 --> 00:58:57,567

to call your attention

to the level of engineering

:

00:58:57,567 --> 00:58:59,936

for being essentially

a Stone age civilization.

:

00:58:59,936 --> 00:59:03,840

They were able to craft magnets for neck

magnificence and structures, incredibly

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,644

well designed systems of early plumbing,

and they informed incredibly

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00:59:07,644 --> 00:59:09,112

well until they didn't.

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00:59:09,112 --> 00:59:11,614

I guess they just mold themselves

in the end.

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00:59:11,614 --> 00:59:15,685

But, they're adorning of jade

and obsidian, as well as ceramic

:

00:59:15,685 --> 00:59:19,322

and natural gems from the region

made their outfits look pretty badass.

:

00:59:19,322 --> 00:59:21,324

They had the handsome staff look it up.

:

00:59:21,324 --> 00:59:23,860

Look, look up some ancient Maya clothing.

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00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:25,028

They had it figured out.

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00:59:25,028 --> 00:59:28,231

I also want to point out some pop culture

representations of the Maya.

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00:59:28,531 --> 00:59:30,400

Starting off with a misguided attempt.

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,637

Mel's with Mel Gibson's Apocalypto

take takes place during the beginning

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00:59:34,637 --> 00:59:37,774

of the fall of their civilization

and early contact.

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00:59:37,774 --> 00:59:42,345

The depictions of the people are done

in a relatively accurate manner, kind of,

:

00:59:42,345 --> 00:59:45,315

but it blends a lot of Aztec

imagery and incorporates

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00:59:45,315 --> 00:59:47,617

a lot of their sacrificial methods

as well.

:

00:59:47,617 --> 00:59:48,451

More recently,

:

00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:52,589

we have, the character of Namor

in Black Panther two Wakanda Forever

:

00:59:52,655 --> 00:59:57,460

goes by his native name, Coco Khan,

who is the feather serpent, right?

:

00:59:57,527 --> 01:00:01,064

I mentioned earlier name War

also speaks Yucatan Mayan.

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01:00:01,064 --> 01:00:03,066

So that's pretty cool.

:

01:00:03,066 --> 01:00:06,869

also not really recognized as Maya,

:

01:00:06,869 --> 01:00:11,407

but in Star

Wars, the, the Yavin four base,

:

01:00:12,542 --> 01:00:13,743

there's Mayan ruins.

:

01:00:13,743 --> 01:00:16,512

Like, that's what

that's the ruins at there in the shot.

:

01:00:16,512 --> 01:00:19,315

It's Maya temples sticking up over the.

:

01:00:19,315 --> 01:00:20,416

I'll put the picture.

:

01:00:20,416 --> 01:00:23,319

It's fine, but those are

the ones that I've seen myself.

:

01:00:23,319 --> 01:00:25,355

I mean, I'm, I'm assuming there's more.

:

01:00:25,355 --> 01:00:27,690

So I'm going to be looking out

for some good movies that, you know,

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01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:29,792

represent the Mesoamerican people

in a good way.

:

01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:33,896

I feel like, might be might be fun

to watch with all this newfound knowledge

:

01:00:33,896 --> 01:00:36,132

or might just be like

when I watch military movie

:

01:00:36,132 --> 01:00:37,867

and point out all the inconsistencies.

:

01:00:37,867 --> 01:00:40,770

I try not to do that,

but sometimes I can't help but notice.

:

01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:42,271

You know, let me know if you have any,

:

01:00:42,271 --> 01:00:45,541

if you seen any of these

or what genuinely learned,

:

01:00:45,842 --> 01:00:48,378

like what

you genuinely learned from this episode,

:

01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:50,546

I want to know

if I made this interesting at all.

:

01:00:50,546 --> 01:00:52,382

I feel like that was a lot of information.

:

01:00:53,916 --> 01:00:55,652

but it is super interesting.

:

01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:59,756

I mean, the, the timeline of the Mayan,

like how how well

:

01:00:59,956 --> 01:01:04,460

they succeed did when they did,

I think is super impressive.

:

01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:08,431

I think that the way that they built

I like that they like,

:

01:01:08,431 --> 01:01:09,899

use their hieroglyphics

:

01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:13,636

in such a way where it was like,

we're dating buildings as we build them.

:

01:01:13,636 --> 01:01:15,471

Like, that's that's pretty badass.

:

01:01:15,471 --> 01:01:18,508

I mean, I mean, just because, like,

we had to date

:

01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:21,511

castles and ancient ruins

:

01:01:21,577 --> 01:01:24,814

and other places and they're like,

this is when we made it right here.

:

01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:26,482

Check it out. Super handy.

:

01:01:26,482 --> 01:01:30,086

it's probably

because the aliens told them to, you know.

:

01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:35,925

Hey, like, hey, there's going to be

some confused guy in his

:

01:01:36,592 --> 01:01:39,896

in his two bedroom apartment

doing research on you guys,

:

01:01:39,896 --> 01:01:42,298

and he's going to really need to know

when he dated these.

:

01:01:42,298 --> 01:01:43,833

When when they built them.

:

01:01:43,833 --> 01:01:46,469

anyway, I hope you enjoyed this episode.

:

01:01:46,469 --> 01:01:51,074

I think this is a good episode

to kind of return to form with.

:

01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:53,242

I, you know,

I do have some pretty exciting ideas

:

01:01:53,242 --> 01:01:56,145

coming down the pipe,

but I also, you know, want your input.

:

01:01:56,145 --> 01:01:58,614

What topics

would you like to know more about?

:

01:01:58,614 --> 01:02:02,051

What types of ideas

have you enjoyed so far?

:

01:02:02,051 --> 01:02:06,322

Do you like these timeline

based topic episodes, or do you like when?

:

01:02:06,322 --> 01:02:09,459

I do like group episodes

where I discuss a few different stories

:

01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:12,662

with an overarching theme,

like what kind of things do you enjoy?

:

01:02:12,662 --> 01:02:16,532

You know, I I'm putting out this podcast

because I enjoy history,

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01:02:16,532 --> 01:02:19,435

but I also, you know,

I enjoy it from my perspective.

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01:02:19,435 --> 01:02:20,570

I want to have

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01:02:20,570 --> 01:02:24,540

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The Remedial Scholar
A weekly dive into forgotten topics or underrepresented subjects. Anything historical and everything interesting.
Welcome to The Remedial Scholar, a captivating podcast that takes you on an extraordinary journey through history. Join me, Levi, your knowledgeable host, as I guide you through the vast realms of the past, unraveling captivating stories and shedding light on underrepresented historical subjects.

In this podcast, we embark on an adventure through time, offering you a unique perspective on the world's fascinating chronology. From ancient civilizations to modern revolutions, we delve into a wide range of topics that fall under the historical umbrella. However, our focus lies on those subjects that often go unnoticed or deserve a fresh approach.

Prepare to have your curiosity ignited as we dig deep into the annals of history, unearthing forgotten tales, and shedding new light on familiar narratives. Whether you're an avid history buff or someone with a budding interest in the past, The Remedial Scholar caters to all levels of historical knowledge. Our aim is to make history accessible and captivating, presenting it in a digestible format that will leave you craving more.

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Levi Harrison

I was born and raised in a small town in Nebraska. Throughout my adolescence, I spent my time with family and friends, and I also pursued my love for art. This passion stayed with me even after I graduated from high school in 2012 and enlisted in the United States Navy, just two months later.

During my four-year service in the Navy, I worked as an aviation structural mechanic, mainly dealing with F/A-18s. My duty stations were in Fallon, Nevada, and Whidbey Island, Washington. In 2015, I embarked on a deployment aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt to support Operation Inherent Resolve, countering ISIS forces in the Persian Gulf.

After my deployment, I decided to conclude my enlistment and returned to Nebraska. I initially pursued a degree in History Education at the University of Nebraska at Kearney before shifting my focus to Art Education. However, I eventually paused my studies to pursue a full-time job opportunity.

When the global pandemic hit in 2020, I made the decision to move closer to my older brother and his children. Now, I'm back in school, studying Graphic Design. My passion for art and history has always been apparent, as evidenced by my choice of majors when I left the military. These passions continue to drive me to learn and create constantly.

It was this fervor that inspired me to launch "The Remedial Scholar," an endeavor through which I aim to share historical knowledge with others who share the same passion for learning and creating.